alt.war.civil.usa

On Aug 25, 12:36 pm, "Ray O'Hara" < ...@ > wrote:
> "Mike Griffith" < ...@ > wrote in message
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> > On Aug 25, 9:37 am, "Bert" wrote:
> > > "Mike Griffith" < ...@ > wrote in message
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> > > >Even Ulysses S. Grant admitted,
> > > > after the war, that the founding fathers would not have sanctioned
> > > > using force to drag the Southern states back into the Union.
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> > > Most of what you wrote is special pleading nonsense. But this one makes
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> > > curious. Do you have a quote to share on this one, preferably not a
> > > truncated one taken out of context? :-)
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> > Well, if the past is any indicator, you folks will label any quote you
> > don't like as "out of context." But, here's what Grant said:
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> > If there had been a desire on the part of any single State
> > to withdraw from the compact at any time while the number of States
> > was limited to the original thirteen, I do not suppose there would
> > have been any to contest the right, no matter how much the
> > determination might have been regretted. . . .
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> funny how you left out the rest of Grant's statement.
> the part where he says once other states were added the right to leave went
> away. but that is just opinion

The point is that he said that the founding fathers would have allowed
the South to leave in peace rather than have war between brothers.
That's what he said. He also said that no one would have contested
secession among the original 13 states. That's what he also said.
Yes, then he went on to opine that somehow the right to secede
vanished just because more states were added. Odd logic. Anyway,
that doesn't change what he said about how the founding fathers would
have responded to Southern secession.

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> article VI is fact. and it forbids secession.

You can repeat that myth till the sun goes down, but it'll still be a
myth. Article VI, like all other articles, applies to states that are
in the Union. It says nothing about states not being able to rescind
their ratification.

> but, as always mike , the myths are the crap you spout in your biennial
> postings.

You're the one who posts myths over and over again. You just feel
secure in them because a majority of people believe them, so perhaps
that's why you just ignore facts that contradict them.

> every six months you show up. post the same discredited "facts"{lies} get
> spanked and run away.
> come back when you have a new song. we've heard this one and it doesn't
> play.

No, it's just that I don't waste my time arguing with people who have
proven themselves absolutely immune to persuasion. You poeple won't
admit anything, no matter how clearly proven it is, if it disrupts
your version.

Mike Griffith