Group: soc.culture.iraq
From: Michael Gray
Date: Saturday, February 23, 2008 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: How can anyone produce evidence for somewthing when it is not clearly stated in advance what the thing is?

On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 15:08:06 -0000, "Mavisbeacon"
wrote:

>
>"Michael Gray" wrote in message
>news:pg1vr3586j79goqh8745ui33p432sm2c7c@...
>> On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:11:44 -0000, "Mavisbeacon"
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Christopher A. Lee" wrote in message
>>>news:bo0sr3llgsktfjj4sui3cfvofpnmqe8m5c@...
>>>> On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:44:57 -0000, "Mavisbeacon"
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Christopher A. Lee" wrote in message
>>>>>news:qr1rr35r3nth6h6g4durjkni1sqahvsg6i@...
>>>>>> On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:43:16 -0000, "Mavisbeacon"
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Christ and Lord are titles, not names. When is the
>>>>>>>> earliest mention of the name Jesus?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That is called "shifting the burden".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No. It is called "getting you to realise one of the reasons why
>>>>>> Tacitus, Suetonius and Plainly weren't talking about Jesus when they
>>>>>> said "Christ".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please try to keep up
>>>>>
>>>>>I didnt raise those people as examples or claim that there is evidence
>>>>>for
>>>>>Jesus.
>>>>>Please try to keep up.
>>>>
>>>> YET YOU ACCUSED ME OF NOT EXPLAINING WHY THEY WEREN'T, WHEN SOME IDIOT
>>>> HAD OFFERED THEM AS EVIDENCE.
>>>
>>>Evidence of "Christ" which he believed to be the same person a Jesus.
>>>and which I subsequently acknowledged and ask to be put asied and we can
>>>look into whether theris evidence for "Jesus"
>>
>> There is none at all.
>
>The historic record does not agree with you and you are out of step with
>most historians whether they believe in God or not!

That single sentence contains so many logical fallacies that i cannot
believe that you are actually "for real".

You are either:
* Hopelessly ignorant
* Lying through your teeth
* Completely out of touch with reality
* All of the above

The historic record DOES agree with me to a perfect degree.
Your appeal to ad populum is bereft of any value.

I have acutally investigated the matter in fine detail, learning the
languages involved, travelling to countries across the globe in order
to read the historical douments in situ, etc etc.
I *am* a bible scholar.
You are talking out of your rectum.